Googling for “text folding omnioutliner” gave me this…
Ah.
Thanks.
I even downloaded the manual and searched for “folding” - to no avail 
Anyway, i like it!
I think, even better than Cloud Outliner Pro, my current favorite.
Outlinely looks good, but finally did not click enough for me (and also is a subscription for more features like OPML export) …
I am going to buy OmniOutliner, it seems to be the best of the lot.
Hi, I’m a new user of Drafts 5.
I’m not nearly as technical as Drafts 5 allows, but I hope to learn more with time.
To answer your questions, I also use Cloud Outliner Pro. I’ve needed an outliner since first having one, about 20 years ago.
I may be premature in answering this, but I don’t think Drafts (or any other app) could serve as a replacement for an outliner, at least in my case, where the outliner is used heavily throughout the day, and Drafts has the benefit of being a quiet place to write.
I use Drafts specifically for drafting & sending emails & texts on a black background, without being distracted by the sight of my email inbox, a to do list or notes. I’ve noticed that when I use Drafts, I have much less editing to do when I’m ready to send, than when writing in my outliner, journal or notes apps.
The colored text in COP is helpful for me, but lack of image support calls for a separate notes app & no url scheme integration causes me to wander & occasionally, stray.
Hello Sarah,
interesting reply!
Have a look at OmniOutliner!
I think that the Essentials version is already better than Cloud Outliner Pro.
And the Pro version also supports images!
You can test both for 14 days.
Which Notes app do you use?
I am split between Notes, Notability, ZoomNotes and Notes Plus, but tested many more.
About mail … how do you handle that with Drafts?
Most of the time, I am replying to an existing thread, so just sending a mail from Drafts does not work. I would first need to copy what is visible in the mail after hitting „Reply“ to get the quotes and everything, then paste in Drafts, write my stuff and then copy and paste this back into Mail.
Just selecting the text in mail and sharing to Drafts does also not work, as Drafts seems to remove the quotation signs. Strange.
So, Drafts is no solution for me for email.
Or are there any tricks and workarounds that help in this?
Hi tja,
I’m sorry, don’t mean to disappoint. Like I said, Drafts is very new to me. (I’ve only just set up my menu options in prefs.)
You’re right, I can only avoid my inbox by initiating emails in & sending from Drafts.
I still use Drafts to reply, either by:
-using the copy button on the Drafts keyboard, opening the email & pasting my reply,
or
-if I’m replying to a friend, I paste the original in Drafts, and reply paragraph by paragraph. Copy, paste as a reply then format the text I’ve added (so it looks different than theirs) & send.
I find it difficult to reply to forum threads online while on my iPhone, so most of this reply was written in Drafts. It’s also good for journal entries, because of it’s nice black background; I wouldn’t use it, otherwise.
I’m sure most Drafts users are far more advanced in their usage, but like you, I enjoy trying out lots of different apps & learning their finer points. I get caught between apps too, like you are with notes.
I might give Omni Outliner a try, thanks!
Ah, yes. I have my own problems with those modern, interactive, dynamic forums, if it’s that.
Going to try this with Drafts too.
About dark themes, lots of editors support this already!
Have fun 
I used to use OmniOutliner extensively when I was focused only on iOS and OSX. Unfortunately I often need to work with Windows users. I now write a lot of outlines using Markdown with their lists feature.
Since I spend a lot of time on both OSX and Windows, I use SublimeText as my editor and wrote a bunch of python code to modify outlines the same way OmniOutliner does. For ex: If you move, the current line and all nest-lines are moved with it. You can promote and demote lines and all nested lines come with it.
My goal is to translate all the SublimeText python code to Drafts. Unfortunately I am just learning javascript (not a developer either) and this is taking a lot longer than expected.
I will definitely share once completed.
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StephanL, that realy sounds interesting!
Can’t wait for your results 
I’m not so happy with the Drafts “hamburger” myself.
First, it opens a new and much smaller window, instead of arranging the actual text and at the regular size.
And, you cannot select multiple single lines or sets of nested lines.
OmniOutliner is quite nice there!
But maybe Drafts will grow into this
Regarding export, i think that plain text and OPML should suffice for most Apps and operating systems. You can quite easily convert.
I often start things in an Outline App, formerly Cloud Outliner Pro, now OmniOutliner, and send this to iThougths to check and modify and in general get an overview. But the base stays the Outline, most of the time.
iThoughts also can exports into Things 3, if this is the goal.
If you are say planning a novel you can type an outline into drafts with a line between each section then use…Editor/arrange to move sections around…basically the same as you would in ulysses app.
If you wish to continue with Ulysses in the draft give each section a markdown title and use “Split to Ulysses” action
https://actions.getdrafts.com/a/15Q this will generate a new Ulysses sheet for each section.
Having said that I am doing most of my writing in notebooks app. Im tired of multiple subscriptions and want to move away from Evernote and Ulysses…another story I guess. Hope this helps.
StephenL, I also have to use Windows at work, while otherwise I live in the Apple ecosystem. Besides OmniOutliner, Mac and iOS has so many other great apps for productivity, notes and so on without a good Windows counterpart.
I find I daily use simple plaintext bullet points list for some kind of outlining, with Markdown or Taskpaper syntax. Applications currently may be Taskpaper, Drafts and nvUltra beta (earlier I used also Bear, etc). None of them are perfect for outlines, but it’s still much faster and easier to start them in one of them than creating a new full outline in OmniOutliner.
It’s nice that you picked one of my favourite details from OmniOutliner. I mean the way nested lines move with the current line with indenting, etc. I don’t use collapsible headers so much, but the feature to “focus” on a single topic, hiding everything else, is another of my favourites.
Hi Folks,
I see this thread is all about outlining (and drafts of course) so, as i’ve been on this same path for several YEARS (yikes!), possibly decades…
Then i stumbled across Workflowy (workflowy.com obvs). It does most of everything that i want; it is a stripped down superapp that is cross platform and syncs data flawlessly.
It is deceptively simple looking and intuitive. You can cut & paste data without fear and, in the pro version, have unlimited ‘nodes’.
I sound like an evangelist and i am but it also works sweet with Drafts as data (text) often need a polish before transferring to Workflowy.
The kicker for me is the ability to ‘publish’ and share nodes without fuss. For example if i want to show you (a copy of)something, i can. I can also give you read or read/write (editing) privileges as i choose.
This turning into a full review so i will address the issue of subscription models that has come up on the thread: yes, Workflowy is a subscription service. I have come around to this after decades of avoiding paying for software.
I use open source software and avoid paying big corps but small independent developers need to eat…
I rest my case…
Best Dave
Example of a shared node in my personal notes: https://workflowy.com/s/workflowy-copy/giZmyGJDnNm3Qgnj